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At 12, Miku Narisawa skilled a magnitude 9 earthquake and tsunami that destroyed her house. As an alternative of operating from the ocean, she is now working to attempt to shield it.
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Mara Budgen 00:09
Welcome to Deep Dive from The Japan Instances, I’m Mara Budgen, filling on this week for Shaun McKenna.
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What you’re listening to is the sound of waves on a seaside in a small, secluded bay in Miyagi Prefecture, in Japan’s northeastern Tohoku area. I spent a while in Tohoku final 12 months reporting on the discharge of handled radioactive water from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear energy plant.
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The voices you’re listening to are these of Miku Narisawa and Futoshi Aizawa as they scour the rocks for recent, wild aonori, a kind of seaweed eaten in Japan.
Miku — a 24-year-old environmental advocate and PhD pupil at Tohoku College — and Futoshi — a third-generation seaweed producer — confirmed me round their native space, the coast of Higashimatsushima, in Miyagi.
Our encounter turned out to be rather more than simply an interview with two sources for an article I used to be writing. Although we spoke in regards to the Fukushima incident, in fact, the conversations we had went a lot deeper.
Miku particularly made an impression on me. In 2021, she based Odyssey Nature Japan, a corporation that gives kids with nature-based instructional actions, akin to fishing and farming.
Then, on the finish of final 12 months, she attended the COP28 UN local weather convention as a delegate for the Pacific island nation of Palau. Bizarre, proper, a younger Japanese particular person representing Palau?
Miku is exclusive and shocking that means, which is why we requested her to affix us on the present to share what it is like being a younger environmentalist in Japan, and the place she sees the longer term heading.
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Miku, thanks for becoming a member of us on Deep Dive.
Miku Narisawa 02:09
Thanks for inviting me.
Mara Budgen 02:11
So that you really simply received again from Hawaii yesterday. You should be fairly drained. But in addition what had been you really doing there? And the way did it go?
Miku Narisawa 02:22
So I used to be in Hawaii for a few week. The aim of my go to was, the principle purpose was to attend the PhD convention that was organized by the East West Middle in Hawaii. So I am really a PhD pupil at Tohoku College proper now. And I am performing some analysis in marine environmental anthropology wanting on the reciprocal relationship between oceans and likewise native fishermen in Higashimatsushima. However the different purpose that I went to Hawaii was the brand new program known as the Tomodachi Kibou for Maui program. The aim is to carry the highschool college students from islands of Maui in Hawaii, who had been immediately affected by the Maui wildfire again in August final 12 months, to Japan for the remaining and bodily but additionally psychological launch. And this system will present highschool college students with a brand new hope after which direct the connection to the, I might say large brother and the sisters who’ve survived the March 11, 2011, catastrophe in Japan, which additionally I did expertise that. And again in 2011, there was this system known as the Rainbow Japan Youngsters, it’s the reverse. However folks in Hawaii invited the center college college students from Tohoku area who had been immediately affected by the tsunami to Hawaii to do a sort of management program, but additionally a reduction program and I used to be a part of this system. So proper now I am preparing for internet hosting college students from March 18 to 24, which is developing subsequent month already. So I am fairly excited to, you recognize, host the scholar from Maui.
Mara Budgen 04:04
So sort of giving again to the folks of Hawaii. And really what number of of those college students from Hawaii are coming?
Miku Narisawa 04:12
So, (within the) first cohort we have now 11 college students, so three male college students after which eight feminine college students from Maui. And plenty of them are from Lahainaluna Excessive College, which additionally was affected by the wildfire in Lahaina district of Maui.
Mara Budgen 04:28
Wow, sounds thrilling, and better of luck with the busy schedule.
Miku Narisawa 04:32
Thanks.
Mara Budgen 04:33
So you have really been to Hawaii many instances. You talked about this system you participated in if you had been in center college, proper? However you additionally went to school there. However your love for the ocean sort of runs even deeper than that, proper? Since you grew up in Higashimatsushima, so I simply wish to get a way, what was it like rising up in Higashimatsushima?
Miku Narisawa 04:57
I used to be born to a rice farmer household in Higashimatsushima. You recognize, rising up, in fact, rice fields, oceans and likewise mountains and forests at all times surrounded me since I used to be rising up. And the ocean was an enormous a part of it, as a result of my dad used to surf and I (would) at all times go to the ocean with him. And even after I drive as much as the cities, you recognize, we go the ocean by each day. So, you recognize, reflecting again proper now, you recognize, I actually appreciated the setting that I’ve, together with my household, the communities that I get to work together so much since I used to be a baby. I additionally stay in Higashimatsushima proper now after residing overseas. After I got here again a pair years in the past, I noticed how wealthy the setting that I had, and I actually admire the setting.
Mara Budgen 05:53
That is unbelievable. You recognize, as somebody who really grew up in a metropolis, I am gonna say, I am a bit jealous, you recognize, to have grown up simply surrounded by nature, each mountains and the ocean. However then, taking a look at your life journey, you grew up on this beautiful place, however this was fully reworked on March 11, 2011. So simply to remind listeners, that day the coast of Tohoku was hit by a magnitude 9 earthquake that brought on a tsunami that took the lives of 20,000 folks and, in fact, brought on the Fukushima nuclear catastrophe. So I wasn’t really in Japan at the moment, however, since residing right here, I’ve actually come to know that this was a turning level. Like there is a pre-2011 and a post-2011 period, and also you Miku know that greater than anyone else. So how previous had been you on the time of the catastrophe? And what do you keep in mind about that day?
Miku Narisawa 06:51
The day the earthquake occurred, I used to be on the elementary college, we had been, you recognize, preparing to return house, after the category round, you recognize, 2:30, then the earthquake occurred. And I used to be within the classroom with academics and classmates and, you recognize, we could not actually rise up. So we needed to conceal below the tables, the desks. However all of the desk, chairs had been falling down. Lots of classmates had been additionally crying as a result of the noise was one thing that we by no means heard of, it was so loud. Then after the earthquake, we evacuated to the third flooring of the elementary college, as a result of on the time, the tsunami alert was already issued. There have been plenty of loud alerts in the neighborhood, in order that I may see from the third flooring of the elementary college that folks had been evacuating to our constructing. A few of them had been driving as much as the mountains, I may see that from the constructing. And my sister was nonetheless in second grade on the time, so she was additionally within the constructing. And my mom got here to choose us up. And when she arrived in school, the water got here to the primary flooring. So, on the time we could not actually return house, but additionally it was getting darkish, so we did not know what’s actually taking place exterior of the constructing. So, you recognize, my mom, sister and I stayed in school for the night time. and likewise the subsequent day. And the subsequent morning, we weren’t positive (whether or not) the automotive, my mom’s automotive, was going to work or not as a result of, you recognize, in fact, the water damages the automotive. However the automotive labored., so we determined to go to my grandparents’ home, which was already on the mountain facet, so it was secure. And my father and my aunties and grandparents evacuated to my grandparents’ home, so that they had been all secure. As a result of, you recognize, my grandparents are rice farmers, we had sufficient meals, we invited a few of my pals’ households who did not have a house as a result of their home was washed away. So we lived with round 15 folks collectively for the subsequent two weeks. However two days, three days after the tsunami, I noticed that our home was additionally washed away, that my dad and mom instructed me that, you recognize, Miku, we do not have a home anymore, so we have now to stay with grandparents for now. Then on the time that I noticed that, okay, I believe I misplaced all the things that I had in my home, in fact, the pictures that we had, since I used to be child with my household, and likewise, you recognize, all the things that I’ve, even garments. So then, after residing at my grandparents’ home, we moved to the momentary housing which was constructed by the federal government. And we lived there for the subsequent two years, three years. And my household and I moved to the brand new home, which we constructed after the tsunami
Mara Budgen 09:46
The place did you construct the home?
Miku Narisawa 09:48
We rebuilt within the … near the place that we used to stay. We determined to nonetheless stay in Higashimatsushima as a result of, I believe, we’re so connected to the place that we had been born and raised. In order that was the scenario, that was after the tsunami and the earthquake. But in addition, in fact, the problems with the Fukushima nuclear catastrophe was at all times the massive a part of the conversations in my household; that, are we actually secure, you recognize, taking part in in exterior being in exterior? However you recognize, I used to be nonetheless 12 years previous. So I actually did not know what was taking place round my exterior house. I wasn’t actually paying consideration till I went overseas after the tsunami, the primary time that I went overseas was 2012.
Mara Budgen 10:34
So only one 12 months after the catastrophe? Okay.
Miku Narisawa 10:36
So the Bulgarian authorities invited the center college college students from Tohoku area, particularly Higashimatsushima. So the aim, in fact, was to offer a brand new setting for the scholars. It was solely two weeks, however we get to do a cultural alternate program. We did plenty of shows about our expertise to the scholars in Bulgaria. And I used to be capable of be a part of the Rainbow Japan Youngsters, which I defined earlier.
Mara Budgen 11:05
So that you went to Hawaii, if you had been in center college?
Miku Narisawa 11:07
Yeah, I went to Hawaii in 2013, or ‘14, I believe. So now I received to satisfy plenty of native youngsters there. And due to the connections, after residing in France for highschool, I made a decision to go to the College of Hawaii at Manoa to review peace and battle decision. So, after I was a graduate pupil, in fact, I had plenty of class and I had plenty of, you recognize, neighborhood exercise, to study in regards to the relationship between folks and nature, via the attitude of peace research. Like, how can we coexist with nature as a human being? So Hawaii actually taught me the idea, residing in Hawaii actually helped me to, you recognize, encourage myself and pursue the environmental schooling that I am doing proper now, again at house.
Mara Budgen 12:03
Miku, thanks, to begin with, for sharing your story. It sounds such as you went via hell, in a means. However on the similar time, you sort of got here out of it stronger, it appears. And likewise this need to discover the world and see what else is on the market: Clearly, what occurred in 2011 had a big impact in your life story, mainly, in your journey. I get the impression, and proper me right here if I am mistaken, that, you recognize, that very traumatic expertise actually profoundly modified you as an individual.
Miku Narisawa 12:38
Sure, so I believe, you recognize, experiencing the catastrophe again in 2011, it actually formed my id, who I’m proper now. Lots of my classmates misplaced their household, misplaced their homes and I misplaced a few of my pals, too. We had been mentally, bodily exhausted, we had been nonetheless 12, 13. So we weren’t prepared for that sort of new setting, or the brand new drive setting that we had. However as a result of I did expertise that, the way in which that I see nature modified. In fact, residing in Japan, we at all times should expertise pure disasters, even any more, whether or not it is typhoons, you recognize, floods, extra earthquakes and tsunamis. However after I take into consideration that, I believe (the) tsunami and the earthquake again in 2011, was simply a part of the lifecycle of nature. In order that’s how I received to know that, okay, like different environmental points, it is simply a part of life, after we stay with nature, after we stay with the pure setting. That is additionally, I believe, formed my id proper now as I do analysis in environmental research, but additionally being concerned with a neighborhood via environmental schooling.
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Mara Budgen 14:09
In order I discussed earlier, I first met you after I was reporting on the Fukushima No. 1 energy plant clear up, again then there’s one thing that you just mentioned to me that basically sort of caught with me. You mentioned, “We’re conscious that the wastewater concern is not a easy one, nevertheless it’s extra necessary to deal with environmental justice.” Now, I took that to imply that you just and people round you in your neighborhood have sort of gone past what occurred in 2011. And that is true since you created Odyssey Nature Japan, a corporation that gives kids with nature-based instructional actions. How did the thought for this group, Odyssey, come about, and what motivated you to carry environmental schooling to native kids?
Miku Narisawa 14:58
So, rising up I used to be lucky to have plenty of high quality time and interactions with the native fishermen, together with Yasu.
Mara Budgen 15:10
That’s Yasuhiro Otomo, proper?
Miku Narisawa 15:11
Sure, so he is the third era of fishermen. I’ve identified Yasu since I used to be 12 or 13, proper after the tsunami, and he has been sort of the mentor for me. And I knew that, you recognize, he had fairly nice expertise and a way to learn the oceans and sense the character, as a fisherman. So going again, however I used to be residing in Hawaii, again in 2020, and COVID occurred. And I needed to come again house. After I after I got here again to my neighborhood again in 2021, I did not know that our neighborhood and city has so lovely nature, and I believe I will need to have missed that. Perhaps I simply did not see the way in which that I see it proper now.
Mara Budgen 16:01
So that you sort of appreciated it, once more.
Miku Narisawa 16:03
Proper. So I had plenty of appreciation to the character once more and, you recognize, interacting with the native fishermen, together with Yasu and the opposite fishermen who’re seaweed farmers, Futoshi Aizawa, they at all times taught me that, you recognize, local weather change is actual. You recognize, they at all times speak to me, “Miku, our oceans are altering. That is actual. There’s much less fish proper now.” And likewise residing in Hawaii, these conversations in regards to the environmental points, local weather change, was at all times round me and across the college, and the neighborhood in Hawaii. And after I got here again to my neighborhood, listening to in regards to the fears in direction of the longer term and the setting from the native fishermen, and I assumed that possibly (it was) time that I give again to the neighborhood via schooling. Once we take into consideration the longer term in 10 years, 20 years from now, who’s going to be within the heart of the society, I believe that is the youngsters. And after we deal with these environmental points sooner or later, you recognize, having these mindsets and the attitude, data, all the things that we require to actually deeply perceive nature and the setting, I believe these native fishermen can train and share with the children. That is one thing that I used to be … that was the place to begin of building Odyssey. And I requested Yasu, like, “Would you be curious about doing an schooling program with me?” He was like, “In fact, let’s do this.”
Mara Budgen 17:43
When these kids, when these folks take part in Odyssey’s actions, what do they really do? And what do you assume they get out of the expertise?
Miku Narisawa 17:52
So at Odyssey Nature Japan we have now a program known as “Satoumi.” “Sato” means land, and “umi” is ocean. So Futoshi at all times (instructed me) that the ocean and land are interconnected, that in order for you good oceans, we additionally should see and maintain the land the place we stay, together with mountains and forests. And I believe that idea is one thing that we actually must deal with from now, that we see the oceans, you recognize, we acknowledge the presence of oceans, however we get all of the vitamins and all the things from the land, together with mountains and forests. So we’re additionally educating the children the idea via the actual expertise. So when we have now the lands program, we, relying on the season, the children will plant the rice and likewise be capable of discover the mountain with the native fishermen and myself, we have now plenty of packages to develop their vital considering, which means that, for instance, when we have now our ocean program, youngsters get to go to the oceans by fishing boats. And mainly, what we do is that, after the self-check in, you recognize, asking how are they doing, what are the motivations, you recognize, what do they count on at present? And after that, we at all times have an exercise known as “silent sketch.” So within the silent sketch, we give 5 minutes silence, silent time, to the children, and so they have to look at the even little motion or little change of nature, whether or not if it is winds, you recognize, what course does the wind blow, you recognize, the place’s the solar proper now, even these little adjustments are one thing that they should sort of focus and face with nature. They will specific what they observe by sentence, or drawing or footage, and after that, you recognize, we go discover the mountains, we do have farming actions. And within the oceans, we then go fishing, however, you recognize, it actually relies on them. We at all times ask, “What do you wish to do at present?” You recognize, a number of the youngsters similar to to attract within the nature, so, you recognize, they draw footage for like three hours, 4 hours — that is OK. However aside from that in addition they, you recognize, harvest the greens and so they catch a fish and so they make their very own lunch for the day. And, you recognize, to offer you an instance, within the ocean program, for instance, if the scholar can, you recognize, catch the fish, for instance sardine, and I at all times ask them, “What sort of ocean environments can one single sardine (survive in for the) subsequent 10 years?” Then, you recognize, in fact, they’ve to consider, you recognize, what do (the sardines) must survive? You recognize, is it vitamins, planktons or the no-plastic oceans, that is as much as them — however I believe these sorts of vital considering, (these are) actually wanted for college kids, particularly in Japan. So the one of many purpose that I left Japan is that, you recognize, I believe rising up in Japan, elementary college or center college, I wasn’t actually … had the time to actually develop my considering expertise in a means, the vital considering expertise. Once they develop up, and so they work in a society, you recognize, it is actually necessary that they assume (for) themselves, what they wish to do sooner or later or what they wish to contribute to society, or how they wish to stay — they should assume first. Not solely (from) the environmental schooling perspective however we closely deal with (methods) to develop their independence and self-worth.
Mara Budgen 21:28
So mainly simply permitting them to be who they’re, sort of freely, after which permitting them to form no matter expertise they wish to have. You talked about, you’re employed with Futoshi Aizawa. He cultivates and harvests recent seaweed and makes merchandise like dried seaweed. So for instance, there is a store in Matsushima, Matsushima city, that sells these large senbei crackers which are wrapped in Futoshi’s dried seaweed. And so they’re completely elegant, I extremely advocate them. Past sharing nice meals collectively, you and Futoshi. Aside from, you recognize, doing all your actions with Odyssey in your native space, you additionally journey so much round Japan. And also you give talks about sustainable meals and ocean conservation. Is that right?
Miku Narisawa 22:18
Sure. So we do, we do plenty of collaborative work with Futoshi and myself. So Futoshi is the third-generation of seaweed farmers in Higashimatsushima. And I believe he has actually a fairly vital perspective in comparison with different fishermen that I do know. So he sees the setting as one interconnected neighborhood. As a seaweed farmer, he offers with the ocean each day, the place we take care of these environmental points. He as a producer, who produces the meals, however we additionally want to actually develop the understanding of what’s taking place (on the) shopper facet. So we give plenty of workshops and likewise we lecture on the universities collectively, not solely in Japan however we additionally train overseas. So we’re additionally doing plenty of seaweed cultivation tasks overseas proper now, with a view to elevate, you recognize, the necessary side of seaweed and what may seaweed cultivation contribute to (mitigating) local weather change.
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Mara Budgen 23:35
So that you talked about the function of seaweed within the context of local weather change. Seaweed really absorbs plenty of carbon. So there’s this very robust connection between the oceans and the difficulty of local weather change. And so your work as an environmentalist has been acknowledged by the federal government of Palau, since you had been really invited by the President of Palau to be a part of their ocean delegation at COP28, which occurred in Dubai on the finish of final 12 months. So what does an ocean delegate really do? Like, why had been you at COP28? What had been you attempting to realize on the convention?
Miku Narisawa 24:19
In order you talked about, I used to be lucky to be a part of the delegations of Republic of Palau COP28 final 12 months. So Palau is a small island nation, situated within the western Pacific oceans consisting of round 340 corals and volcanic islands. And Palau itself, I believe, has a inhabitants of round 20,000 proper now. So it is a actually small island nation. And the President at all times referred to Palau because the ocean state. And I had the chance to be a part of the delegation as an ocean advisor on the COP28, and my function was to assist the delegations, particularly ocean crew. So the a part of you recognize, the negotiations and a dialog that I received to affix and take part on the COP28 is that, you recognize, I heard plenty of voice and the attitude from different delegations, that the ocean wasn’t the middle of the dialog at COP28. However after we take a look at the worldwide stocktake…
Mara Budgen 25:31
So the worldwide stocktake is this sort of evaluation when it comes to what nations have promised they’re going to do when it comes to emissions reductions and the way shut or far that brings us to the objectives of the Paris settlement to cut back carbon emissions and restrict world temperature rise to 1.5 levels Celsius by the tip of the century. Sorry, there was a really lengthy rationalization of the worldwide stocktake, however, there’s so much there. Sorry, please.
Miku Narisawa 25:57
The Ocean was a part of the worldwide stocktake in a means that, you recognize, we have to shield the marine ecosystem any more, that we did make into the worldwide stocktake. However lots of people say that that wasn’t sufficient.
Mara Budgen 26:11
OK. I imagine a few third of the CO2 emitted is absorbed by the oceans. So that they have a really direct impression on the quantity of emissions, carbon emissions, in our ambiance. And, you recognize, what I believe is attention-grabbing about you, Miku, is that you just see these points from a a lot deeper perspective than I believe, possibly many individuals do. You recognize, many individuals they hear like, “clear oceans, ocean conservation,” and so they primarily take into consideration plastic air pollution within the sea. Which is clearly an enormous concern, nevertheless it’s really one thing that’s a part of a much wider effort that we have to make to enhance the well being of our oceans. And so what you are doing, clearly, you participated in COP, however you are additionally attempting to create this connection between folks. So with Odyssey, you are connecting kids and even adults, with folks like Yasu, the fisherman and Futoshi, the seaweed producer, and you recognize, you meet all these individuals who come from different island nations, like from the Pacific Islands. And naturally, you have frolicked in Hawaii. So what have you ever realized from folks whose livelihoods and even whose tradition and id relies on the ocean?
Miku Narisawa 27:30
We won’t actually separate people and oceans or society and oceans, it should immediately impression one way or the other. It is connected to our id, it’s connected to our cultures, it is connected to our society, economic system. So I realized that the folks in Hawaii, they see the ocean as a one canoe. On the canoe, they’ve to assist one another with a view to navigate themselves. And so they should share the house peacefully and respectfully.
Mara Budgen 28:04
Proper and specializing in Japan, as a result of clearly, you recognize, Japan is an archipelago, it has a really lengthy shoreline, many islands, so all the things you are speaking about is tremendous necessary in relation to Japan. So how do you see Japan when it comes to … is it doing nicely, in relation to ocean conservation, or what are some areas of enchancment?
Miku Narisawa 28:26
Yeah, in order a Japan, we closely targeted on the fishing industries. And as I, you recognize, work together with a neighborhood fishermen’s again in Higashimatsushima, they at all times speak in regards to the environmental points, you recognize: they’ll actually catch a fish, they’ll actually domesticate a seaweed all oysters, as a result of ocean is getting a wholesome, which means that is much less plankton, much less oxygens, much less nutrient. And I see plenty of tasks and actions saying, “Let’s clear up our oceans. Let’s decide up the plastic.” And that is, you recognize, I believe that is one factor that we additionally must deal with, that we have to clear up the oceans, however if you got here to Higashimatsushima, and if you take a look at the oceans, you recognize, our oceans colour was sort of greenish and like a darkish blue, however if you go to Okinawa, the water is way clearer, proper? And it’s simply because every ocean has completely different roles due to the geography, geographical places. So in Higashimatsushima, we have now two rivers which carry these vitamins to the oceans. And we’re situated within the space the place two currents meet collectively. One is coming down from Russia, the colder present, and different currents developing from Philippine and Okinawa, a lot hotter currents. These two currents merge collectively, which additionally creates a wealthy ocean setting for the ecosystem. However if you take a look at Okinawa, the hotter present brings much less vitamins. So with out the plankton and vitamins, in fact, the water will get a lot clearer. And that is at all times you recognize, Futoshi is at all times saying that every ocean has a unique function. So I believe it is actually time for Japan to actually take into consideration what is de facto the appropriate factor to do with the oceans. How can we deal and the way can we maintain the oceans?
Mara Budgen 30:24
I hope, you recognize, the leaders of Japan are listening to this podcast and that they may get your message. Miku, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us at present. It has been an ideal pleasure.
Miku Narisawa 30:38
Thanks a lot for inviting me.
Mara Budgen 30:45
My thanks once more to Miku Narisawa, for becoming a member of us on Deep Dive this week. Shaun McKenna is right here with me now. Hey, Shaun, thanks for letting me host this week.
Shaun McKenna 30:54
Effectively, thanks for giving me per week off.
Mara Budgen 30:56
You owe me one.
Shaun McKenna 30:58
You recognize, I am amazed that somebody like Miku may undergo such a harrowing expertise like a tsunami after which fairly than retreat from the ocean, she sort of made it her purpose to guard it.
Mara Budgen 31:09
Yeah. And one thing I took away from the dialogue is that ocean conservation, local weather change, and even wholesome mountains and forests are all interconnected points.
Shaun McKenna 31:18
Yeah. How can we study extra in regards to the initiatives Miko is concerned in?
Mara Budgen 31:22
So, you’ll find out extra at odysseynaturejapan.com and on Instagram @odysseynaturejapan. We’ll put the hyperlinks within the present notes.
Shaun McKenna 31:31
Cool. Effectively, in different environment-related information, final 12 months Japan and, the remainder of the world actually, skilled record-breaking temperatures and the development is more likely to proceed this 12 months — so be sure you clear your air conditioners earlier than the spring. February is already seeing file highs throughout Japan and consultants imagine 2024 goes to be the most well liked 12 months within the nation’s historical past. Mara, which means even hotter than final 12 months. Eric Margolis has written about it for our surroundings part, Our Planet, you’ll find that at japantimes.co.jp or click on on the hyperlink within the present notes.
Deep Dive from The Japan Instances is produced by Dave Cortez. Our outgoing music is by Oscar Boyd, and our theme music is by the Japanese musician LLLL. Your host for this week has been Mara Budgen, I’m Shaun McKenna, podtsukaresama.
Mara Budgen 32:19
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